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Mr Film · Member Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1245

I would like to know if your for or against the penalty and would you like to see the death penalty in Canada? Let me know. Let's debate it. Agree to disagree. I'm for the death penalty. Why? I'll let you know soon as you tell me what you think of it. Twisted Evil

darth tader · Member Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 175

absolutely for it. all the way!

DT

Southsidestu · Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject:

Absolutely not the death penalty is disgusting and a disgrace, I would not give the death penalty to a a racist who raped a ten year old girl and then killed her. Not to Bin Laden or Hussien.

Mr Film · Member Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1245

Our tax dollars shouldn't have to go towards rapists, murders, child molesters. Prisons should be for burglars, thieves. Small time criminals who can be restructured, molded to fit back into society. The big players of crime should get the chair or lethal injection for spreading drugs into our Countries, schools, neighbourhoods, and homes. Rapists, child molesters, murders, drug dealers, crooked authoritive figures in power who shield themselves behind their titles and badges also don't have the right to breath the same air as we do. You have go to extreme measures, not sugarcoat it, to get the message across. Enough is enough. Don't let these parasites who poison our society rot in prison. Why should they have access to books, Tv, an education. They deserve death. If you had a daughter and she was severley raped and beaten half to death what would you do? Sit there and turn the other cheek? Or would you unleash the wrath of God onto them with swift vengeance. I could not live with myself knowing a child molster who attacked my child brutally and savagely should continue living in a cell after what they took from me. They should get what they deserve. The Chair. Lethal Injection. A firing squad. Public execution. Evil or Very Mad

Southsidestu · Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:27 am Post subject:

People to not consider what death means properly, a certain person is completely gone and that is a huge thing. Further more the consequences of death are a huge thing, have you ever lost somebody that you loved dearly a family member, I have not but I know from other people that losing somebody hurts. Especially if it is your child. What if the said accused lives in New York and his parents in Detriot. They had no influence in his behaviour what so ever do they deserve to go through all that pain and despair when they did nothing. If you put the person in a prison for life they are gone from society they cannot hurt anybody so what is the point in killing him. The problem that you seem to have is that prison these days are not as tough, that they get TV and education. I have two daughters infact they are fraternal twins and I would burn alive in Hell to keep them safe and for them to be raped would be terrible but there is no way that I would want that person dead. Despite it being a long and hard process people who have been raped most of the time get over it. Death is something that you can't get over my Aunt and Unlce lost there son to Leukaemia when he was three and that changed them forever. Furhter more the people who want people execuated are just as bad in order to want this person to die they must have the same desire and bloodthirst that the killer had and in the case of the likes of drug barons they would be worse.

To kill somebody is a major thing with huge repercussions and I do not thing that the world takes this into account properly it is easy to cry death penalty when sitting on your couch watching the news but look in that persons eyes, face the families that had nothing to do with the crime and have been completely devasted and know that in agreeing to that persons death you are a part of destroying the lives of innocent people.

Chris · Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject:

I have to agree with Southsidestu on this one.

First off, there have been some really terrible people who have turned around and done some good from inside prison, even if it is a rare thing.

Secondly, death is a very permanent thing, if the justice system puts the wrong person behind bars just once, and an innocent man is executed it cannot be undone. On that basis alone I wouldn't want to have the death penalty.

The death penalty doesn't work. In the US states that allow the death penalty, violent and evil crimes are committed every day, so you can't say it is a deterrent. In the end, killing a person in the name of the law is still MURDER. It makes you no better then the person you are trying to protect the rest of us from. You want to make a difference, there is no reason we have to make a criminal comfortable while they spend there time behind bars. I say lets make there lives boring as heck. No TV no microwaves, no video games, no movies and no extra entertainment.

I want the person to spend the rest of their lives reflecting on the damage the caused and not give them the easy way out. That is my opinion for what it is worth.

darth tader · Member Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 175

what you are not thinking of is, the death penalty is not a revenge thing. it isnt something that is exacted upon someone who has committed a horrible crime by the person who has been wronged. it is a punishment issued by the justice system for crimes that deserve nothing less than death. It isnt an "eye for an eye" thing, it is just the top punishment on a rising scale of punishments. the person that is sentenced to death is given all the same rights and privilages that someone else that is sentenced to life in prison is during the trial phase.

you all make very valid points, and i hope and pray that i never have anything ever happen to anyone that i know that would cause someone to be sentenced to die, but if it ever did I wouldnt wish the person dead, I would understand that it was the punishment fitting the crime, and do my best to forgive them for what they did.

Southsidestu · Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:35 am Post subject:

All the same rights and privilages except the biggest right of all the right to exist. It should not be a persons decission as to whether a person dies it is such a huge scale thing and it is not within a humans power to rule the world and decide whether pwoplw live or die. No act by a person deserves the death penalty, even if the accused has taken the lives of others all the more reason for this person not to die because there has been to much bloodshed.

Of course the final thing part of the argument is if you were guilty would you accept death or would you feel that if you could be sentenced to prison for life where you would not harm anyone which one would you chose. Would you not feel that while there is this other option that would be just as effective but you were alowed to live then you it would be your right to go into prison and live. You would also think about the justice community "who gave you the right to decide whether I should live or not why does it get to fall to you."

Final word death penalty is wrong.

Chris · Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:46 am Post subject:

Okay this is becoming a hot topic. I am sure there are a fair number of people viewing this topic and not posting. I have created a poll for people who are not comfortable with posting their views.

I still say it is wrong.

darth tader · Member Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 175

Mr Film · Member Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1245

I recall Southsidestu that you were for that poll of what celebrities should die. Doesn't that make you a hypricat. So it's okay for certain celebrities to die, which you chose earlier in your five pics. Would you prefer extreme criminals to be labotamized instead which would be a waste of space and tax dollars? Twisted Evil

Southsidestu · Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject:

The celebrities that I wanted to die thing was not sincere, I do not even hate the Beckhams I just get frustrated with their media attention. I would not wish death on them that is ludacris.

What do you think about my points of view, your reluctance to respond to them interests me.

Those responsabilities that Darth trader metioned can all be enforced without the death penalty. The problem is that some life sentences are that of 15 years. I think that if life sentences were made more permanent then your probelm would be resolved and your argument would be dissolved. For me I think the minimum life sentence should be 40 years.

That quote I maid had nothing to do with rights it was mearly a point, that if you were facing the death penalty you would ask what gives that person the right to decide whether I die or not.

darth tader · Member Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 175

Southsidestu · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:02 am Post subject:

The death penalty should be for life, that 40 years sentence was a minimum that should be put forward as a compramise for the justice system to consider. You find that many people who have spent such a long time in prison that they are afraid of getting out, that they are exposed in the outside world and do not have a clue. Can you imagine the changes that have happened in that amount of time. If you went to jail in the 60's and came out today think of the shock that you would have. Some criminals would want to stay on prison where they had a limited but easy life, everyone they knew for decades would still be in there. Further more you don't think that anybody like a drug baron would be let loose, I do not know about where you guys are but in Scotland people like those drug barons are released they are supervised 24/7 for the rest of their life.

Maybe prison does reform and rehabilitate but with a real life sentence then they would not need to because they would be locked away for ever.

You said that if you were facing the death penalty you would think that who gives that person the right to decide that I am to be executed, but your rights would be taken away because of your crime. So then right now you must question that persons right to decide the guilty party's fate just as a normal citizen with views. If you wee facing the death penalty and felt that person did not have the right then you must have the same feeling right now and if you thought hard you would probably come up with the answer that nobody has the right to sentence somebody to death.

Mr Film · Member Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1245

You do make a good point Southsidestu despite the fact I agree to diagree on the subject. We will never see eye to eye even though you made some good points on the subject. I may come across as extreme, but I believe in what I had to say about the death penalty. It's like legalalizing drugs where the outcome would be massive overdoses. That is another way of population control. Get rid of the parasites in prison and the ones whom starve and sicken themselves on the streets everywhere you go like a disease over narcotics to get that one last fix regardless how. Twisted Evil

Chris · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject:

Its all good guys. As long as we aren't insulting one another, its okay to disagree.

As you all know I am against the death penalty, but I can see the points the people who are for the death penalty are trying to make. I just hope it never takes hold... but that is just me.

Southsidestu · Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:31 am Post subject:

Rehabilitation of criminals may not be that successfull but rehabilitation of drug addicts are. I also think that drug addicts to deserve second chance because everyone makes mistakes and drugs is almost like a whole new you you cannot control it it is like a power over you leaving you helpless.

Mr Film · Member Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1245

Perhaps your right Southsidestu. I think I went too far with drug addicts during my anger speech, but after 3 chances for rehabilitation prison should be the place for them. Isolation would do a junkie good after a few years. Twisted Evil

darth tader · Member Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 175

i think if someone wants to kill themselves with drugs we should let them have as much of it until they do. why should I have to pay for a druggie to rehabilitate or for there prison term. It isnt my problem that they are addicted to whatever it happens to be.

Southsidestu · Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:

And a missconception between a lot of people is that they do it because they are addicted which a very powerful thing.

Why do you do it, because it is the human and morally right thing do to and that if you were in the same position you would hope that someone would di it. We all have to cover everyones backs whether we know them or not, before they got addicted they were paying taxes for the same thing and it could of been you that became addicted. Besides you would need to have a strong stomach to know that everyday people's lives are deteriating and you can help them.